Hi there.

To not share a too much poor prototype on Github or Patch storage, I need some help for some little things (beware : dumb questions here, first batch !):

1/
- Do the 8 pots are physically LOG or LIN ? They didn’t appears in the "CURRENT BOM for Rev2". Because I want to know if I need [pow~ 2] in Pd to turn it LOG.

2/
- Because I need the 8 pots to control parameters, it seems I’ve got to set the Bela via IDE/Project_settings_on "Analog Sample Rate" to 22050 Hz, because at 44100 Hz, only 4 "Analog Channels" are available. BUT, in test configuration, PEPPER powered by the rack and connected to my computer, I have set this "Analog Sample Rate" at 22050 Hz, and turned off the Bela, unplugged the USB and reboot it to tested it alone AND I have no more control with the 4 last pots, as if "Analog Sample Rate"_ went back to 44100 Hz setting. Any ideas ?

(I have the last four CV OUT on DIGITAL mode, but I note that : "These can optionally be re-configured so that up to 4 of the CV-in sockets are repurposed as trigger inputs, connected to Bela's digital inputs, while the corresponding pots are still controlling Bela's analog inputs.")

3/
- I see many "Underrun detected: 1 blocks dropped" errors on IDE when I run my patch. (In IDE/Project_settings, I have set the Block size (audio frames) to 128.) Why ?

4/
- Adding "the --high-performance-mode flag to the User Command Line Arguments: field in the project settings, you will be able to use up to 99% of the CPU for the patch". How to remote the button that is on the Bela cape (which stop the running program and give you back access to the IDE) to the front panel for embedded use ? Is it a shortcut with buttons ? Or a hole in the panel with a new little button ?

5/
- Where to find the schematic of the Pepper Rev2 ?

6/
THANKS

    FatJak - Do the 8 pots are physically LOG or LIN ? They didn’t appears in the "CURRENT BOM for Rev2". Because I want to know if I need [pow~ 2] in Pd to turn it LOG.

    they are linear

    FatJak "_ went back to 44100 Hz setting. Any ideas ?

    it's a bug on applying those settings. In order to force applying them at boot you need to:

    • set boot program to •none•
    • set boot program back to your program

    FatJak I see many "Underrun detected: 1 blocks dropped" errors on IDE when I run my patch. (In IDE/Project_settings, I have set the Block size (audio frames) to 128.) Why ?

    You may be using too much CPU, either continuously or because of excess peak usage. How many do you get per second?

    FatJak . How to remote the button that is on the Bela cape (which stop the running program and give you back access to the IDE) to the front panel for embedded use ? Is it a shortcut with buttons ? Or a hole in the panel with a new little button ?

    Maybe the best option is to do no hardware change and instead the code so that pressing one of the buttons already on Pepper stops the currently running program. If you are using Pd, you can update your board to the latest version of the Bela code, you can send:

    [stop(
|
[s bela_control]

    to stop the program. So you can trigger that with some logic to one of the front-panel buttons.

    FatJak
    - Where to find the schematic of the Pepper Rev2 ?

    https://github.com/BelaPlatform/bela-pepper/tree/master/Design%20Files/rev2b

                giuliomoro

                Thanks for this package of informations !
                The bug in IDE/Projects_settings turned me mad last week-end ! I have desperately dig in my patch until I found only dark night.
                I will made the changes, put on test the patch again and send my second batch of dumb questions.
                Thanks again !

                  13 days later

                  Oups, already one mistake with the delay section wich doesn't work in stochastic mode, because of an error in the Pd subpatch [pd delay stochastic]. I have already fix it.
                  But It alows me to discover that I can't reach the max value (1 in Pd) perhaps because the output max voltages from the CV out are not equals (from 4,20 to 4,55 V), so it seems that's why @Remork create the R-Conditioner, even it's for a 10 V input...
                  I'll try to update the [ReadAnalog] with this patch to see if it change something.

                  yeah, it's basically mapping the 'real' min-max input to wanted min-max output.
                  it's pretty straightforward 🙂

                    Remork Thanks !

                    So, if I understand well:
                    if I get (mini) 4,2 V instead of 5 V,
                    and if Bela give a 1 with a 5 V value,
                    I need to multiply by 20% my input values
                    so:
                    [*1200]
                    |
                    [int]
                    |
                    [clip 0 1000]
                    |
                    [change]
                    |
                    [/1000]

                      It seems to work with this:
                      #N canvas 50 47 212 440 12;
                      #X obj 25 163 snapshot~;
                      #N canvas 1 67 450 300 LowPass 0;
                      #X obj 49 102 lop~ 10;
                      #X obj 49 138 lop~ 10;
                      #X obj 49 162 lop~ 10;
                      #X obj 50 72 inlet~;
                      #X obj 49 187 outlet~;
                      #X connect 0 0 1 0;
                      #X connect 1 0 2 0;
                      #X connect 2 0 4 0;
                      #X connect 3 0 0 0;
                      #X restore 25 79 pd LowPass;
                      #X obj 25 198 int;
                      #X obj 25 260 / 1000;
                      #X obj 25 289 change;
                      #X obj 25 317 abs;
                      #X obj 25 351 pow 2;
                      #X obj 25 392 outlet;
                      #X obj 25 48 *~ 1200;
                      #X obj 25 226 clip 0 1000;
                      #X obj 113 92 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 #fcfcfc #000000
                      #000000 0 1;
                      #X obj 113 68 loadbang;
                      #X obj 113 112 metro 20;
                      #X obj 25 18 adc~;
                      #X connect 0 0 2 0;
                      #X connect 1 0 0 0;
                      #X connect 2 0 9 0;
                      #X connect 3 0 4 0;
                      #X connect 4 0 5 0;
                      #X connect 5 0 6 0;
                      #X connect 6 0 7 0;
                      #X connect 8 0 1 0;
                      #X connect 9 0 3 0;
                      #X connect 10 0 12 0;
                      #X connect 11 0 10 0;
                      #X connect 12 0 0 0;
                      #X connect 13 0 8 0;

                      or, in a graphical mode:
                      [adc~ x]
                      |
                      [*~ 1200]
                      |
                      [pd LowPass (3x[lop~ 10])]
                      |
                      [snapshot~]—[metro 20]
                      |
                      [int]
                      |
                      [clip 0 1000]
                      |
                      [/ 1000]
                      |
                      [change]
                      |
                      [abs]
                      |
                      [pow 2]
                      |
                      [outlet]

                      If somebody have a correction or a better proposition...

                      i have a tendency to do the conditioning/calculations after smoothing the voltages - take 'raw' data, remove the jitter, and then see what there is to work with - but i guess the end result would be exactly the same 🙂

                      as long as you reach 1000 or slightly more before the [clip]object, you should be fine.
                      if the pot reading doesn't fully reach 0 on the other end, you can throw a minus offset in there as well.

                        downloaded your patch, but still need to install the ELSE lib so can't try it out just now.

                        looks like i'm missing three objects.
                        i should think one can come up with a vanilla workaround for the [rescale] and [s2f~]objects, but i might be a tad optimistic here. 🙂
                        any specific reason to use [brown](which i'm assuming is brown noise) over [random]?

                          Remork
                          Yes, the minus offset a good idea !
                          And I'll set the conditioning/calculations after smoothing the voltages, as you said.
                          It's still a little bit blurry for me how the Bela convert Voltage to 0-1 range because the real voltage values are not equals and not reaching 5 V, and perhaps not 0 V. So what do we get in Pd in these cases ? Do we have to consider that we could have for exemple 0.15-0.85 ranges in Pd instead of a 0-1 ?

                              Remork
                              About the (only !?) three objects:
                              - [s2f~] is only used to visualise the envelope rise & fall ampltitude when you're working on the patch on your computer (see in [pd ENV (X)]), so you can run the ATTAC506 without it.
                              - [rescale] I can't remember why I have use this objet, perhaps it could be replaced by [clip] (in [pd ENV (X)] replace [rescale 10 10000] by [clip 10 10000]. I'll try it today >>> EDIT: IT DOESN'T WORK OBVIOUSLY !
                              - [brown] instead of [random] because if I paste some of the Alexandre Torres Porres Pd Help, we could understand that if we want to go stochastic, we need a ""Weighted random", where some random values have more probabilities of happening than others." And especially [brown] which is for ""brownian motion", which is a type of random walk. The difference to "drunkard" (an other object) is that we have the same probability to go up or down and when we reach the bounds the values are folded back." But I don't say you can't do it in an other way and I'm not saying I'm not wrong !

                                FatJak Do we have to consider that we could have for exemple 0.15-0.85 ranges in Pd instead of a 0-1 ?

                                in my experience, yes.
                                Pd just expects 'ideal' voltages from 0-5v, however, reality isn't like that 🙂
                                which is why some smoothing and some remapping comes in handy.
                                sometimes there's even a slight difference between different inputs, so i tend to treat them individually. because i'm overly fussy about details 🙂

                                [rescale]sounds like it would be a different fuction than clip - more mapping than limiting?
                                sounds like something closer to the conditioner patch, actually 🙂

                                    Remork

                                    Remork because i'm overly fussy about details

                                    I understand ! I spend to much time with that ! 🙂

                                    Remork so i tend to treat them individually

                                    I was exactly thinking to do the same.

                                    About [rescale]: because the patch use the [brown] object, which send by default 0-127 values.
                                    `Help' file say: "By default, [rescale] rescales MIDI input values from 0 to 127 (including floats) into another range of values (0-1 by default). You can also set an exponential factor (1 by default - linear). All these parameters can be changed by arguments."
                                    So I don't know how to replace it easily by another object/calculation, but sure it can be done.

                                          just divide or multiply to your target value?
                                          i would think, divide (0 - 127) by 127 to get (0 - 1)..
                                          or multiply by 7.88 to get (0 - 1000), approx..

                                          and it's easy enough to add an offset: multiply (0-127) by 7.8 to get (0 - 990), then add 10 to get (10 - 1000).
                                          i don't think it's more complex than that?

                                            Remork
                                            Sorry, perhaps i'm not focus enough, but yes, it's easy to convert a 0-127 range to another stable one, but in the ATTAC506, the destination range is a variable one, with variable and independant min and max values, and the [rescale] object make a good job for this.

                                              oh yeah absolutely
                                              i'm probably just trying to get everything into Pd Vanilla hahah
                                              force of habit, sorry!

                                                Remork
                                                Good point.
                                                I'll try to take the time to replace the [rescale] object by a working [expr min_value + ((max_value - min_value)/127) * incomming_random_value]. But there is still an Else object with [brown]...