How sensitive are the sensors?

I'm just wondering if they could be used with pots/encoders to tell when someone is touching them?

You can actually sense a tiny bit of capacitance through a small plastic knob, so in principle, assuming the pot's case is NOT grounded, then you could give this a try. I tested one just now, but it will probably depend heavily on the actual layout.

Hi Guys,

I got the email about the Hex and Ring.

How many sensors are on the hex? Do you have some design docs?

    AndyCap The Trill Hex will behave in the same way the Square does and will use the same number of sensors (30 in total).

      So the hex just a different shaped Square?

      My maths isn't great but I could understand 19 sensors if the edges were not straight, or 19 full + 12 partial sensors if the edges were straight.

      I'm trying to work out how you could combine 8 of these to make an isomorphic controller?

        AndyCap The Hex will use the same sensor tech as the Square, but most likely with a finer spacing of the pads. Like the Square it will have two sliders of 15 elements each, at 90 degree angles to one another (but truncated to the overall outline of a hexagon). Since we expect the Hex will be smaller overall than the Square, the resolution can be somewhat finer.

        You could cut down a Square to get a Hex, but this variation is more convenient in that you get consistent, repeatable results (which not everyone will have the tools to do), and as above, slightly finer resolution.

        When we say you can use 8 sensors at a time, this is the number of unique I2C addresses that are available on each type of sensor. There's no limitation on using more sensors, if either (a) you use multiple I2C busses, or (b) you put custom firmware on the device with a different range of I2C addresses. Ultimately the main limitations to how many devices you can put on a single bus are the rise time of the bus and its total bandwidth. I would expect 20-30 devices should run relatively comfortably provided they had unique addresses.

          Hi @andrew

          Thanks for the info, I'm still a little confused though!

          The email mentions isomorphic controllers which I took to mean something like:

          Is each trill hex multi touch so would contain multiple smaller hex keys as in the image?

          Or is each trill Hex single touch like an individual hex key in the image?

            with CRAFT, i assume it reports all 30 sensors data (continuously)

            for SQUARE/BAR/HEX etc is this still the same... i.e. they report all 30 sensors data, and then the 'interpolation' to touch is done on Bela (or whatever) , or is this done on the hardware? if the later can you get it instead to report the underlying sensor data?

            AndyCap i have one of those :-) and i added "aftertouch" to it (with an axoloti and some fsrs). and as you i was wondering what exactly they meant with that email...

              AndyCap The Trill Hex will be a 2D slider -- within the hexagon you get two axes of sensing, plus contact area. If you wanted to divide that up in software into smaller virtual keys you could.

              If all you want is a single number for activation within each hexagon, you could make an isomorphic controller with a lot more hex keys using the Trill Craft, with one pad per hexagon.

              @thetechnobear The interpolation can be done on the Trill chip, or you can request the raw sensor data. The former saves time and bandwidth but the latter lets you implement your own tracking algorithms.

                  andrew @thetechnobear The interpolation can be done on the Trill chip, or you can request the raw sensor data. The former saves time and bandwidth but the latter lets you implement your own tracking algorithms.

                  perfect, thanks @andrew

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                    A question about these (apologies if this has already been answered somewhere) - is there some way to get them to work in PD? Would they need a special library of some sort?